Friday, April 23, 2010

May 6th Ward meeting

Please refer to the flyer posted here on April 19th! - Levois

Originally posted on the Chatham Avalon Park Community Council blog, news about the May 6th Ward meeting with Ald. Lyle
Please attend the May Community Meeting hosted by 6th Ward Alderman Freddrenna M. Lyle
Wednesday, May 5, 2010
6:30 p.m.
St. Mark United Methodist Church
8441 S. St. Lawrence Ave.
Be sure to come to this meeting about CRIME.
Commanders from the 3rd, 5th, 6th & 7th Police Districts will discuss what’s being done about it and what we can do about it.
6th Ward Service Office
406 East 75th Street 60619
Phone: (773) 846-7006  Fax: (773) 846-9104


  1. I am a Chicago Conservation Corps trainee seeking to present a workshop on Recycling in our community as my action project. I am looking for a organizations interested in educating the community about environmental issues who would like for me to give a presentation in the near future. Please contact me at

  2. Hi Cheryl,

    Thanks for your participation. This wasn't the best post to leave your information. Please see our post on community organizations in the 6th Ward and contact the individuals organizations.

  3. This is a comment left by email

    "The 6th Ward's crime meeting Wednesday night left me cold. I came to meet my neighbors and to listen to their suggestions and warnings about crime in our lovely community but, unfortunately, there wasn't a spot in the program for community members to express their concerns. Huge hole as far as I'm concerned. I want to have as much information as possible at my disposal. Is Cole Park safe? Why not? Are there streets I should avoid? What about the shooting at 95th and King Drive? Gang-related or just another nitwit with a gun who can't aim for nothing? We need to talk to each other a whole lot more. I wish we could have started the conversation last night."
    the observer

  4. Freddrenna M. LyleMay 7, 2010 at 12:03 AM

    I appreciate the desire of the commentator to have a dialogue and encourage him/her to do so at a block club meeting, community association meeting; a CAPs meeting or our monthly Ward meeting. I also highly recommend that he/she meet his/her neighbors, first beginning on his/her block and then branching out as mentioned above. We set up our monthly ward meeting to discuss crime, before the surge in violence. As it became clear that we would have a huge crowd (and every seat was taken including the overflow room where the meeting was being televised)a decision was made to present as much information as time allowed and to do the breakout where residents could talk to their Police officers.

    With any large group the motivations of those in attendance range from people seeking information (provided by the speakers and ex-burglars); those wishing to address specific issues (the break out room) those wishing to make speeches & grandstand; to those wishing to disrupt. Many of the attendees were most grateful that the meeting was not consumed by the final two categories of attendees as they had been to too many meetings where that happened.

    As to your questions: with the exception of the temporary locking/removal of the nets, Cole Park is operating as normal. The South Side Little League Pee Wees are practicing and playing in the Park. Seniors and others continue to walk around the Park and to the extent the 6th Dist. can provide extra officers they patrol the Park. We are continuing to push for the assignment of an off duty Chicago Police Officer. I would answer the safety question with a yes. I know of no streets that any person should avoid. The shooting at 95th & King is believed to be relational meaning there was some type of relationship between the shooter and the victim.

    Also we will be converging en mass in Cole Park during the next hot spell. We have commitments from neighbors, Churches, community associations, CAPs and others to meet us there for an informal, impromptu community get together. This will be an excellent opportunity for neighbors to get to know each other.

    Again I invite the "observer" to our next meeting so that he/she can meet his/her neighbors. I know some people left the meeting 'cold' because it did not meet their expectations and others because they didn't get a chance to perform in public. It is however impossible to anticipate the expectations of hundreds of people that are not required to RSVP and state their expectations in advance. While we would have loved for everyone to leave happy, on the whole, most of the feedback we received has been very favorable.

  5. I do understand Alderman Lyle's comment about folks "performing" in public, as per what happened at the March 31 meeting about the Chatham Hotel. However, it's not always a bad thing to perform, as long as you have good etiquette and stage presence. Jumping up and hollering is not that, but maybe showing some passion in your delivery could be.

    I think the constituents want somebody who lives up to their six figure salary. I feel that Ald. Lyle deserves her salary, but can sometimes use her status as an excuse to say things to the residents that she would not say in front of "Hizzoner". (Look it up)

    This is why folks stereotype blacks so negatively for not having good customer/constituent service skills. This is why young people don't vote. If we want to make a change in the Sixth Ward, we need to go back to speaking to one another in a respectful tone.

    Oh heck. I might as well move before that happens...

  6. Zack, you are so right on. But, on this blog you can only post nice things, like kissy, kissy, butt...

  7. Anonymous 3:09. I'm not sure what your point is, but we do try to be positive here. We don't ask that you kiss anyone's rear end. Just know that you're negativity isn't welcome. If you have different ideas start your own blog. I would welcome that! In fact I would link to you.

  8. Zack, I have held a meeting 11 times a year since Feb. 98. I attend community association meetings, block club meetings, Park Advisory Council meetings, Business Association meetings, Church meetings and school meetings. Additionally I stood at the door talking to people about their concerns until after 9 p.m. so residents had an opportunity to address me 'passionately'. Because they were not allowed to address the crowd, does not in my opinion, devalue the meeting nor repel young people. Young and older people have multiple opportunities to discuss, complain, debate me on a regular and continuous basis. I was not trying to host a gripe session on Weds. and stand by my decision.

    Further, I am on the record calling for a reallocation of Police resources. I am on the record decrying the transformation of public housing without a transference of services and resources. I don't know what other things I said to my neighbors, that you could be referring to.

    In any event nothing anyone says or does should stop someone from voting and residents have another opportunity to respectfully voice their opinions at my next Ward meeting.

  9. Anonymous,
    If you’ve really read the blog, then you know there ARE differences of opinion. For example, there are some things Worlee has said that I don’t agree with. However, I have not only read (and kept in mind) his other writings, but also have met him personally, and see the bigger person, and can say I honestly respect him. He’s been a huge asset to this blog and to growing discussion on this blog.

    But like Ald. Lyle & Ald. Brookins expressed at a Greater Chatham Alliance meeting last year…we may disagree, even passionately, on one issue…but we can still work together on many other things. But that will only happen if there is mutual respect. We can disagree but still be real neighbors.

    In Uptown, at least a few (if not many), really loud cruel people attack on blogs & message boards. They , like you, are anonymous. So people with differing views have no way to see them as real people, let alone neighbors. They were so vicious, that despite the diversity of the neighborhood, you won’t see too many differing opinions on their blog. And with that, lost opportunities at working together to create SOLUTIONS. The are whole groups of people who should be part of the discussion of that neighborhood, but have either tuned out, or just total ignored (i.e. not reached out to), due to assumptions and fears.

    If you have a serious accusation, and can back it up by links to public sources (such as newspapers, legal documents), you are more than welcome to submit it…comments give you less of that ability. But we, just like “professional” news outlets, will not tolerate slander & libel.

    As for the crime meeting...
    i would have liked more discussion...but it's hard to do so with literally hundreds of people. One thng i got out of it was this: we EACH need to take PERSONAL responsibility for our neighbors...knowing them, and to a level, getting in their business.

    You yourself may be "perfect" in this regard...but many of us are NOT.

    We EACH have to make some changes...

  10. "As for the crime meeting...
    i would have liked more discussion...but it's hard to do so with literally hundreds of people. One thng i got out of it was this: we EACH need to take PERSONAL responsibility for our neighbors...knowing them, and to a level, getting in their business.

    You yourself may be "perfect" in this regard...but many of us are NOT.

    We EACH have to make some changes..."

    I agree with JP on this. Even though I would have like to have seen "some" discussion-- with hundreds of people at the meeting last Wednesday, it would have been too much and too long, probably with a lot of "griping", and not very productive. This is how a lot of people get discouraged at Community/Town Hall Meetings. By all the back-and-forth, going off on tangent, holding 20-30 year grudge "meetings".

    Quite frankly, I was pleased by the showing of residents, and had several discussions after the meeting with some of the Police Commanders and CAPS staffers-- some of who I've worked with at the Chicago Public Schools-- as did a lot of other residents who needed to express, and ask questions.

    My neighbors commented that they were pleased with meeting the Police Staff, and obtaining the info they did from "Keepin It Real". However, as I've stated before and as did JP-- The responsibility is on ALL of us to see that our ward, neighborhood, community is as safe as possible. We know what we have to, and SHOULD do-- we just have to do it!!

    You don't need a meeting to take action or to make a stand. You just have to do it!


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